Gordon's Progress

Posted: 4/26/2006 12:00:01 AM
teslatheremin

From: Toledo, Ohio United States of America

Joined: 2/22/2006

Gordon,
By the way, I took the resident massager from the night stand and presented it to the capacitance field of my most demanding mistress. She whined and moaned--- I kept asking her to correct her pitch, but we just couldn't seem to complete together.
Then the Mrs. came home! I immediately thought of no words of explanation, then exclaimed, "I was going to put it back!" But, alas, I am suspect in all things, now it seems.
The good news is that I have a food and water bowl next to the trash bin. It's nice here, somehow. At least I am told that it should be --- nice here, someway.
Arf!
Teslatheremin
Posted: 4/26/2006 3:46:25 AM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

Thank you for sharing that cautionary tale. Consider how much more trouble you would have been in if, instead of being caught in flagrante delicto, she had simply discovered that the batteries were mysteriously flat.

We men are such klutzes when it comes to women's things!

So here are another couple of pieces of advice to help keep you out of the doghouse. They fall into the category of Men May Think Otherwise But...

... there is nothing in a ladies handbag that is good for stopping a nosebleed.

... there are no undergarments that could serve as either earmuffs or a double-barrelled slingshot.

On a theremin related note. Apparently you can't avoid drilling by going avant garde. I find myself rehearsing isophasic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_light) trochoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trochoid) for the plummeting man. :-(

 
Posted: 4/26/2006 1:19:56 PM
DiggyDog

From: Jax, FL

Joined: 2/14/2005

I tried the "massager" in the theremin field thing with no noticiable results.

I have, however, been know to use one on my bass pickups for very interesting noises.

The wife doesn't seem to mind....

Posted: 4/27/2006 6:41:43 AM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

Fear not DiggyDog!

I have been working on enhancing the effect, and the [i]electric vibrato [/i] has evolved into the [i]coffee-frother trill[/i]. You really can hear the difference with this.

It's like Gizmo the Mogwai's warbling hum in Gremlins.

Take a hand-held coffee frother...

[img]http://fantes.com/images/8120milk_frothers.jpg[/img]

and tangle a piece of wire (I used 30 amp fuse wire) round the whisk, leaving 2-3 cm (an inch) sticking out like a single propellor blade.

You can vary the extent of the trill by lengthening or shortening the wire blade. (I imagine that given a good ear and a theremin with evenly spaced notes it may be possible to tune it so the trill varies over an exact number of semitones.)

Posted: 5/5/2006 9:14:17 PM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

My ME decided that I should spend more time horizontal this last week, so I have adopted a fashionably recumbent posture and spent my free time catching up on podcasts and browsing the web.

In particular I have been learning about synthesis as it relates to stomp boxes. Mostly they seem to prefer highly destructive acts on the waveform, and rely on the boundary behaviours of key components to provide the goodness in the end result.

Of all the distortion boxes I looked at, this one - Blackstone Mosfet Overdrive (http://www.blackstoneappliances.com/) - stood out as being made by someone who knows his stuff. I am curious - does anyone own one and can tell me what it does for a theremin?

Incidentally, do look at his Distortion 101 - it made a lot more sense than most of the pages I read, and has a great little Java applet to show you how constructive synthesis of harmonics works with a sine wave.

I also learned, elsewhere, that with some instruments the harmonics reduce in volume exponentially, others are linear. Some create all the harmonics, others just the odd ones, others still just the even ones, and to round it off, bells have a lot of partials - overtones of which the frequencies are not an exact multiple of the note.

Which brings me to my second question, if anyone knows. (This is kind of wishful thinking, but it would be nice...)

Is it possible to construct what would in effect be a number of theremins all sharing the same pitch antenna and volume antenna, but each tuned to play a different harmonic of the fundamental frequency for any given proximity to the pitch antenna?

I envisage a set of sliders atop the theremin, looking like a graphic equaliser, and allowing the player to control how much of each harmonic is passed through to the volume antenna.

(And for the icing on the cake, the ability to change the tuning to allow partials as well as harmonics.)




Posted: 5/5/2006 11:53:18 PM
kkissinger

From: Kansas City, Mo.

Joined: 8/23/2005

You asked:

"Is it possible to construct what would in effect be a number of theremins all sharing the same pitch antenna and volume antenna, but each tuned to play a different harmonic of the fundamental frequency for any given proximity to the pitch antenna?"

Probably the easiest way to implement this would be to use the Control Voltage output (available on the Theremax and Epro) and send this to a bank of Voltage Controlled Oscillators which can be offset to any pitch one wants.

You would need either a Theremin with a CV output or a pitch-to-voltage converter to do the deed. Since the Kees does not have CV outputs, you could consider a Theremax or an Epro which would be cheaper than getting a pitch-to-voltage converter.

An alternative method would be to use a harmonizer or pitch-shifter to produce pitches that track with your Theremin's pitch.

Now to clear up some terminology: a partial is simply a "sine wave ingredient" of a sound and it can be an integral frequency (harmonic) or a non-integral frequency (non-harmonic). Another easy way to introduce non-harmonic partials into your sound is through the use of a ring modulator.

To have a bank of Theremin's would be expensive and, in the final analysis, the tracking VCO's would give you the same effect. The VCO's could be tuned to any interval you want.
Posted: 5/6/2006 10:15:25 AM
rupert

From: washingtondc metro area

Joined: 2/8/2006

gordon,

donna summer's "hot stuff" has been in my rep since 1978 and the theremin has been included since 1997. it is delicious and hamming it up always delights the audience with the wails, howls and moans.

nuance and precision makes it hot.
Posted: 5/6/2006 8:19:05 PM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

Rupert - I'd love to hear that. Is there a clip on the web?

Kevin - terminology is a problem. Precise meanings of technical terms seem to vary from website to website, depending on what particular area of electronics or music is being covered.

Lets see if I can explain myself a different way.

I am interested in modifying the sound of my instrument to increase it's versatility, but in a non-destructive way. That means not clipping the waveform to approximate a square-wave, like the majority of guitar distortion boxes, or rectifying it like an octave-up box and so on. I have no objection to delay based effects - love my little echo-box, but am looking for something different...

The simplest electronic instrument would be a circuit that generates a sine wave in the audible range, with a potentiometer attached to vary the frequency. That's the basis of a tannerin - a Voltage Controlled Oscillator and a slider to vary the control voltage. Adding partials to increase the complexity of the sound would be a simple matter of feeding the control voltage to a bank of VCOs, varying the voltage that each one receives by a fixed amount by adding different resistors into each feed. By choosing the fixed resistances so that each one was an exact multiple of the lowest frequency, and by providing a means to vary the amplitude of each of the resultant sine waves independently before combining them one could create a synthesiser capable of producing a variety of waveforms, some of which would be reminiscent of other musical instruments. Essentially one could control the timbre of the instrument in terms of which harmonic partials are present and in what proportions. With a bank of sliders to control the various amplitudes the positions of the sliders would correspond directly to a spectrum plot of the resultant sound. You could effectively draw the spectrum you wanted to hear.

And, as an extension, the ability to change their relative pitches as well, to provide for non-harmonic partials. (I get that using a ring modulator gives non-harmonic partials but somewhat chaotically for my purposes.)

Kind of a bank of tannerins, all squooshed into one box, and sharing whatever bits of circuitry don't need to be separate. Let's call it a Synthesising Tannerin.

So instead of your tannerin showing a single spike on it's spectrum, you might have half a dozen spikes - depending on how many VCOs are involved. (I gather that high order harmonics are generally undesirable - or inaudible - so I guess that is a sensible number.)

Of course theremins don't make a sine-wave. I'm not sure what the name of the wave it makes is, it looks kind of sine-wavey on the oscilloscope but a spectrum plot shows a neat little rhombus instead of a single spike. That's the characteristic sound of my Kees, and I don't want to lose it.

I've got this funky little piece of software that shows real time spectrum plots, and it's pretty cool watching the rhombus slide up and down as you gliss. It's also neat watching it at work with an echo box attached - loads of little rhombi all sliding up and down and through each other. And - as I mentioned ages ago when I noticed it, while my Kees was warming up it was producing two rhombi all by itself, and glissing caused them to move in what looked like a simple mathematical relationship. And the sound it made was not unpleasant, just a tadge warmer than usual, but still recognisably a theremin. So not necessarily a bad thing. But I would like control over it, as per the Synthesising Tannerin described above, but instead of half a dozen spikes in a predetermined and fixed relationship to one another, half a dozen rhombi.

Does that make sense?

(Oh, and would it be an expensive way to go about it? I paid about 185 dollars for my Kees which is based on a $54 Jaycar kit - it wouldn't need a bigger box, there is plenty of space in the enclosure, nor would it require any
Posted: 5/7/2006 7:51:44 PM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

Sigh.

Time for a sad little posting.

We've done the maths, and it looks like the Charlton family will not be invading Asheville.

:-(

Not that a minor problem like that is going to stop me meeting more of you guys in the long run.

So be warned. I am keeping an eye on the Theremin World Member Map (ttp://moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=130) and when there are enough flags on the UK I'm going to suggest a little local get-together. Not sure what - I'll figure that out when the time comes.

(How many is enough? Well I have previously figured a 10% turnout on stuff like that and not been far wrong, which means at the moment I could meet in a telephone box, but my left leg would not want to go!)

So Brits, put y'selves on the map...


Posted: 5/9/2006 7:49:59 AM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

OK, back to my little gedankenexperiment. It's unlikely that anyone is going to rush off and build a multi-voiced theremin as I described, but that chain of thought has led me somewhere interesting.

Consider a descending gliss from C4 to C0, at a steady velocity of one octave per second, played through a delay box with a delay of one second, each repeat attenuated by 50%.

At the point where C0 is reached, C1 will be heard at half the volume of C0, C2 at a quarter of the volume, C3 at an eighth and C4 at a sixteenth. If my understanding of harmonics is correct, C1 is the 1st harmonic partial of C0, C2 is the 3rd, C3 the 7th and C4 the 15th. As these are harmonic partials they should blend together to form a single singing note. The same considerations should hold at any point along the gliss, so when for instance D1 is being played, D2 and D3 should be present at 1/2 and 1/4 of the volume respectively. At different speeds other partials will be present in the mix, harmonic if the speed of the gliss is in a simple ratio to the length of the delay, non-harmonic otherwise.

(Or something like that - I can remember the shape of the mathematics required to figure it out, but not the details.)

Minor fluctuations in velocity should induce something akin to a beat frequency, modulating the volume of the sound, giving it a ringing quality.

And yes, after some experimenting, a singing, ringing tone can be induced during a slow gliss with echo.


(Oh, and five bonus points for anyone who spotted the reference to disturbing East German children's TV in this posting. :-)

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