Where can I find the Claravox editor - Windows version?

Posted: 1/19/2025 8:07:57 AM
pitts8rh

From: Minnesota USA

Joined: 11/27/2015

Yes, replacing the original panels with new front, back (mostly for cosmetic match), and I/O panels would do it if you wanted to go whole hog.   There would be tons of interior and panel space for an added built-in reverb and PP monitor speaker(s) and digital amp and all the extra knobs associated with those.  The pitch arm would probably need a multi-pin connector for the active AFE , but I've done something like that before.

Otherwise a more retrofit approach could just replace those same panels without adding any additional electronics beyond the D-Lev basics. It would also be an interesting functional and playing test to see if you could possibly get away with driving the whole pitch arm and antenna as a a single conductor to avoid moving the AFE out into the arm. Keeping most of the conductor surface area in the rod itself could minimize the distortion of the pitch field due to the section of horizontal feed wire. I would try it, even if it goes against the norm.

I don't know if Moog (or whatever they are becoming now) is really going to abandon the Claravox, but if anyone ever ends up frustrated with a dead and non-repairable Cvox, save the cabinet!  I'd like to try this too.  

Posted: 3/17/2025 3:38:45 PM
André

From: 30 km south of Paris (France)

Joined: 12/23/2022

I opened a ticket at InMusic to try to get the Windows app installation file.
It was on January 1st,2025.

On March 3rd, I asked if they had received my request.

Two months later, on March 12th, I received an answer from "John, one of the support staff at Moog", saying :

"I'm very sorry for the long wait time. I have reached out to the relevant people to try and get the file for you. I will get back to you as soon as I get a response."

Today I got this wonderful answer :

"Thank you for your patience on this. I have received word back from our Moog engineers.
The Claravox editor is currently not available for download on Windows computers. Our app developer is aware of this issue and is currently trying to rectify this. However, we are unable to clarify if and when this would be likely to happen.
My apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.
I am now going to set this ticket to closed, but if there is anything else you needed help with then please do not hesitate to reply to this ticket, and I would be happy to help you.
Kind Regards, 
John Technical Support Specialist - Level II
inMusic Europe Ltd"

And I received another mail asking if I was satisfied with the answer (typical mail with satisfied-dissatisfied" buttons to click, and requesting a comment !)
I let you guess my answer.

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Posted: 3/17/2025 3:47:41 PM
robonil

From: santiago, chile

Joined: 3/17/2006

I have the win app instaled in my laptop, but i don't know how to get it out as a archive to install into another computer

Posted: 3/18/2025 9:50:36 AM
André

From: 30 km south of Paris (France)

Joined: 12/23/2022

You can transfer an already installed program or application from a PC to another PC with EaseUS Todo PCTrans.

But you need to have both PC's connected to the same local network at the same time.

Posted: 3/18/2025 4:03:47 PM
robonil

From: santiago, chile

Joined: 3/17/2006

thereminchile@gmail.com

Posted: 3/18/2025 4:48:15 PM
bendra

From: Portland, Oregon

Joined: 2/22/2018

I received another mail asking if I was satisfied with the answer (typical mail with satisfied-dissatisfied" buttons to click, and requesting a comment !)I let you guess my answer..

What a disgrace. I have long feared that the Claravox software would become a responsibility of the user’s community once Moog lost interest, but I had no idea this would happen so soon!

Posted: 3/18/2025 5:57:20 PM
dewster

From: Northern NJ, USA

Joined: 2/17/2012

I wonder how much the Claravox contributed to Moog Music's demise?

Posted: 3/18/2025 6:08:43 PM
bendra

From: Portland, Oregon

Joined: 2/22/2018

I wonder how much the Claravox contributed to Moog Music's demise?

May have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s a sad thought.

Posted: 3/19/2025 3:56:34 PM
pitts8rh

From: Minnesota USA

Joined: 11/27/2015

My OP was dormant for so long that I failed to check back, but now I see some interesting (and disheartening) updates.

Anyone contemplating purchasing any product that relies on software from the "new" Moog should think twice and consider what that piece of equipment can do without that software.  And after thinking twice they should just say no.  What a disgrace.  

If the theremin community represented a larger slice of the general population I would be inclined send this to Louis Rossman's YouTube channel.  I'm a bit wary of the guy but he is an absolute bulldog advocate for ownership versus being at the mercy of the whims of companies to be able to brick your products at will.  We aren't bricked, but we are hobbled.

There is no valid reason that the Claravox software could not be made available in some format that could be used or adapted for use before they decided to kiss it off and wash their hands of the product.  Buying into the Apple ecosystem just for the theremin is not an option, if the iPad version is even still available.  The Moog message quoted by Andre earlier with its "if and when" kind of says it all.

I would guess that the number of Claravox owners that are Windows or Android dependent is not very great, and those like me that DO for now have an installation of the app on at least one computer or device might not foresee the problem this could be.  And unfortunately my single installation is now on a laptop that is dedicated for another use and not handy to connect to the theremin.

I have looked for methods to transfer a previously installed program to another computer but the manual methods that I have tried by following instructions written by people a lot more savvy than myself have all failed. I will look into the software described earlier in this thread, but I see that it is pretty expensive if the 5 free transfers don't work out or if they are limited in scope.

If we had the influence to shame Moog it would be interesting to make a nice D-Lev adaptation (insert) to replace the electronics that "Moog failed to support and thereby effectively hobbled operation" after such a short period of time.  The adaptation might need to happen at some point, but we'll probably never have the voice to influence anyone.

Thanks for all the inputs. Any more updates on this topic would be appreciated, particularly those related to transferring an installed program from one PC to another.  I think my attempts fell apart due to the inability to properly register some dll file or files, and I don't know what I'm doing at that level anyway.

Posted: 3/19/2025 4:59:43 PM
dewster

From: Northern NJ, USA

Joined: 2/17/2012

The author of that not-ready-for-prime-time open Cvox editor I pointed to a while back worked out some really intricate information regarding the MIDI implementation:

  https://github.com/wfr/open-claravox-editor/blob/main/doc/source/MIDI.rst

He points to the Moog MIDI documentation too in his "issues" section:

  https://api.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/2021-06/Claravox-Centennial-MIDI-Parameters.pdf

Unfortunately the author (Wolfgang Frisch) doesn't appear to have posted anything new to the project since 2022, so I assume it's dead.

If Bob M. were still alive he'd probably be mortified re. what's being done (rather: NOT done) in his name.  They can't be bothered to just stick the Win editor software somewhere and tell everyone that it's an as-is kinda deal (much like the Cvox)?  They hyped it to the moon only to drop it like a hot potato.

If I owned a Cvox, loved it to death, and had some time on my hands (0 out of 3 here) I'd probably be looking at configuring an open librarian with those Cvox specs.

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