Tibetan Buddhism -Theremin connexion ?

Posted: 2/17/2010 1:43:21 AM
Joe Max

From: Oakland, California

Joined: 1/2/2009

[i]"If there are any kindly Theremin players out there who would allow me to send you me enunciating her mantra and you would agree to play it on Theremin for me - well, what an experiment!"[/i]

I'd be glad to give it a whirl (or a whoop!) My e-mail address is on my profile page here.
Posted: 2/17/2010 5:17:05 AM
GordonC

From: Croxley Green, Hertfordshire, UK

Joined: 10/5/2005

[i]My e-mail address is on my profile page here.[/i]

But only you can see it, Joe. To everyone else it is hidden.
Posted: 2/17/2010 2:45:35 PM
coalport

From: Canada

Joined: 8/1/2008

I'm a little unclear as to how a mantra could be performed on a theremin. A mantra is a syllable and the theremin cannot enunciate words so how could it play a mantra?

If you want, you can sing your mantra to any melody you want - OM MANI PADME HUM will fit quite nicely into DOWN BY THE OLD MILL STREAM but don't expect Padma Sambhava to appear before you in the diamond light.
Posted: 2/17/2010 5:50:11 PM
omhoge

From: Kingston, NY

Joined: 2/13/2005

well OK then I'll update, and am reminded that in this new digital world what makes it in never goes away and what does not is lost, and I wonder how malcolmjay is doing.

re: coalport "What is interesting about this in relation to the theremin is that this hand position was insisted upon by Clara Rockmore who once said that the reason we use it is to "grip" the notes in the air."
Lately I've been thinking fingering serves as a visceral hand form representation of what our throat is doing while we play. Still think finger spelling and the mudras in context of dance helped me a lot, lately I'm seeing more benefit from the sign language experience.

re: the spiritual/mental benefits; it's subjective, but when I can't play, the lack of thereminizing makes me sicker than the original germ, as soon as I can play recovery speeds up. regular practice promotes good notes and well being.
Posted: 2/18/2010 3:54:20 PM
malcolmjay

From: Lincoln, England

Joined: 3/28/2008

Hello All! What a splendid day to return to the site and my original post, the day HH Dalai Lama has met with President Obama. I too, have met the Dalai, back at Samye-Ling Tibetan Centre/monastery, Scotland on May 14th 1994, where it all started for me back in August 1977 (on the day Elvis died, actually!!)
Great to see further thoughts being contributed to my notion.
Joe Max - I must take you up on your kind offer. How can we connect? You are welcome to my email at; malcolm.jenson@gmail.com
I will simply enunciate the Tara mantra words into a melody as the purpose of the mantra is to reduce it into a sound/frequency, it actually buzzes rather like a bee, for bees resonate with the hum of the AUM. How the Theremin will respond as close as it can to this tone/tune/drone could be interesting. Would love to watch the reaction of a receptive brain on a scan.
Anyway, lets be optimistic and see if we can replicate the mantra as I intend.
Over to you, Joe!
Posted: 2/18/2010 7:39:30 PM
coalport

From: Canada

Joined: 8/1/2008

malcolmjay wrote:

"it all started for me back in August 1977 (on the day Elvis died, actually!!)"

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Malcolm! Surely you don't think THAT is a simple coincidence!

Hail Elvis Tulku Rimpoche!

It's no wonder you want to play your mantra on the theremin.

I presume the melody to which you chant your mantra is one that you composed yourself? What could be really interesting would be to have you chant your mantra (using a pitch reference to keep you on key) and then add an arrangement afterward the way Jean-Philippe Rykiel did with the chants of Lama Gyumey.

One of the pieces on Rykiel's CD, THE LAMA'S CHANT (which was featured in the film SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET) was written and sung for the late Kalu Rimpoche who died in 1989 , and with whom I spent many wonderful hours. Unfortunately, at the time, I was an arrogant, stupid kid.

Now I am an arrogant stupid old fart!

LOL
Posted: 2/24/2010 3:56:58 PM
djpb_designs

From: Escondido, CA

Joined: 2/6/2008

You're not old coalport ... WEG
Posted: 2/25/2010 7:15:29 PM
coalport

From: Canada

Joined: 8/1/2008

Here's an interesting little experiment in creating modern, electronic and electroacoustic Tibetan-inspired music. The trumpets sound more like landing sea planes but what the hell.

Tibetan Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gyfL_6OxLc)
Posted: 2/27/2010 10:20:23 AM
omhoge

From: Kingston, NY

Joined: 2/13/2005

Must be the year for it, HHTDL will be lecturing in May at the home of the Rockettes and the Mighty Wurlitzer in New York (a 32' Diaphone sounds a lot like those trumpets to me), I do not know of any theremin performance to have ever happened there. But let's go with it, I don't know nothing, here's a thought.

Silence = Sound = Nothing?

Some how during childhood I started sitting, and I learned a Manta once when gave I a handkerchief, an orange, and a few bucks to some transcendental guy, but the real training and practice was silent after hearing Trungpa Rimpoche in Boulder and studying at the center in NYC learning silent walking and mandala meditations and contemplative arts. The silence was alive and the thinking stopped or at least tried to.

How could an instrument of sound bring us to that vivid silence? Playing the organ had given a taste of being centered, but a singing bowl revealed the slight balance of physical effort, mental detachment, and a delicate intent to draw the harmonic sounds from the bowl. You cannot force it, you get outta the way and allow it. Tasting that point of balance brought silence and sound together to form a brief lightening bolt of recognition that affected everything especially music making.

Then came the theremin. *That* was no accident. HA! Was the universe saying "OK Mr. silent hot shot now try this..."? Getting to a point of silent sound making, even stable pitch making seemed daunting, but the same practice applied.

Playing with a drone box or new age drone-a-long songs eventually hit the mark and the player as self disappeared for a millisecond. It was just the act of listening, the music was taking care of itself. For a lot of us, precision theremin playing is a contemplative art too, a single intrusive thought can throw pitch and tune right out the window.

The theremin hooked me and I became dedicated to playing it and joined the global effort to keep it alive and flourishing, the wave of theremin-bodhicitta. Now there's the ironic conundrum!

Silence is more than soundless-nonthinking-ness and brings a more challenging concept of change and passing. Despite all our efforts our theremins will break some day. There will come a time when there are no theremins or pipe organs any more, that time will be as it should be. It twinges the heart and that is an import thing to taste. To me to be a contemplative aether warrior bodhi means to simultaneously embrace and embody the moment of beauty and sound as well it's transitory nature and death. As they say, you cannot grasp and hold tight to a note at the theremim, just as you cannot hold onto anything really. This is the next step...

HA! If you love the theremin you have to let it go! HA!

There are also correlations you can make between theremin playing and the martial arts, to me especially the Western martial arts of the Renaissance. But we can kill 'em, slay 'em, and knock 'em dead later.

no matter what,
KEEP ON PLAYING!
Posted: 2/27/2010 10:39:38 AM
malcolmjay

From: Lincoln, England

Joined: 3/28/2008

To answer my friend Coalport,
I would condense, as I do, the orthodox Tara mantra into an extended hum which I would be hopeful for a reasonably skilled theremin player to attempt to duplicate...its like enunciating the mantra thru an open mouth but withclenched teeth, and very buzzy bee-like. What I am looking for is the therminic (Like that expression?) effect that it could have neurologically in conjunction with the mantra. Hope to open up a remote 'somewhere' over the rainbow...you never know until you try. Now, where's me player gone?

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