Claravox Centennial Theremin - Post Your Thoughts Here

Posted: 11/4/2020 8:08:06 PM
gingercat

From: Whanganui, New Zealand

Joined: 11/4/2020

If I ever sold anything electronic, and knowing that there are people out there like us, I think I'd pot the whole thing in a solid brick of black plastic .

I've wondered if they will release a standard Claravox later which will have the plastic box for a cheaper price - It would make sense to continue the line if the initial centennial is popular and then maybe disscontinue the Etherwave Plus and the Theremini in the long term

Posted: 11/4/2020 8:39:10 PM
gingercat

From: Whanganui, New Zealand

Joined: 11/4/2020

If you're wondering - yes I have pre-ordered one. The retailer in NZ has a monopoly and coupled with the value of the US dollar and tax I'm being asked to pay double the US price but what can ya do?  Apparently there are only going to be 2 available to us in NZ anyway.

I listed my Theremini thinking it would take a few months to sell and it sold over night so I'm committed now  (thinking the theremini was too cheap lol )

Posted: 11/8/2020 6:58:24 PM
DiggyDog

From: Jax, FL

Joined: 2/14/2005

From Diggy Dog 10/24/2020: Well, I found a 20% discount code for Prymaxe.  It is BOO20.  It didnt work when I tried to order but a friendly customer service  rep helped my via chat and I got the theremin and the stand for $1,399.00.Unfortunately, I just received a message from Prymaxe customer service that they will not offer this deal to additional buyer(s). Oh, well....

I'm sorry to hear that.   I guess I slipped through.   Hopefully they won't try to cancel my order or something.

Posted: 11/17/2020 1:15:06 PM
hypergolic

From: Richmond Hill, Georgia

Joined: 9/18/2005

Is Moog still discussing shipping first part of December, 2020?

Fleep

Posted: 11/18/2020 9:33:46 PM
Neutrodon

From: Darmstadt, Hesse, Germany

Joined: 11/12/2020

   

I preordered a Claravox Theremin some weeks ago at a major German company.
I saved some money this year - the pandemic restrictions of flea markets prevented me from buying the usual vintage measurement and audiovisual equipment for my collection.
I wonder why Moog couldn't prepare a accompanying case to store the instrument and the wooden stand – the cost of the set is actually not so low. For the EWS, I built my own traveling-case out of an old trumpet suitcase, which I got at the flea market of course. Will I have to build a Claravox case as well?
I think the Claravox innards will be quite similar to the Theremini, probably with some added retrospection of analog circuitry of the EW-Pro. It is likely, that the possible external designers, assigned by Moog to develop the Theremini, have been given another chance. I’m curious what will be inside the housing of the Claravox – possibly ‘aussen hui, innen pfui’ (‘nice outside, but ugly inside’) as a German adage says.

Posted: 11/19/2020 2:40:30 AM
Flounderguts

Joined: 10/24/2020


I think the Claravox innards will be quite similar to the Theremini, probably with some added retrospection of analog circuitry of the EW-Pro. It is likely, that the possible external designers, assigned by Moog to develop the Theremini, have been given another chance. I’m curious what will be inside the housing of the Claravox – possibly ‘aussen hui, innen pfui’ (‘nice outside, but ugly inside’) as a German adage says.

I must disagree. That is not the way Moog usually rolls. I think it's clear from the other Claravox thread that it will be an entirely new instrument, with an analog circuit lifted and optimized from the Etherwave Pro, and a completely new digital processing unit...and I doubt it will borrow anything from the Theremini. There's no point trying to borrow from that design, as the Cvox is a completely different game. 

I'm amazed at how many theremin enthusiasts seemingly want to pan this release. I'm excited to get mine, and it seems like it's a far more versatile tool than you can discern from simply looking at pictures and watching a single video. I will not be surprised if it becomes the axe of choice for professional thereminists in very short order.

I'm not even a Moog fanboy...I don't own even one other bit of Moog equipment (mostly because I like to build my own stuff), but I am amazed at all the shit talking I see, especially on Fbook. Also, having seen the interior build of recent Moog products (the subharmonicon and the DFAM) I'm inclined to believe exactly the opposite of innen pfui. We shall see in a just a few months.

Posted: 11/19/2020 9:43:14 AM
pitts8rh

From: Minnesota USA

Joined: 11/27/2015

"I'm not even a Moog fanboy...I don't own even one other bit of Moog equipment (mostly because I like to build my own stuff), but I am amazed at all the shit talking I see, especially on Fbook." -Flounderguts

Well said, and I have to agree with you on all counts, especially about the dissing on Facebook by some that are giving preemptive negative opinions without ever seeing a Claravox in person.   All will be revealed when we get these in our hands, and undoubtedly not everyone will love it, and some will probably even hate it.  But knowing that the market for $1500 theremins is pretty small I wouldn't want to be discouraging anyone from giving us something new to work with, and I too am excited to see what they have developed.

Posted: 11/19/2020 12:47:28 PM
dewster

From: Northern NJ, USA

Joined: 2/17/2012

"I'm amazed at how many theremin enthusiasts seemingly want to pan this release."  - Flounderguts

A new fairly technical product release with very little in the way of accompanying initial technical information, particularly when it fills a glaring void in the market, and particularly when their lead designer is sadly long deceased and their previous product was arguably a dud, will tend to do that.

Moog Inc. answered some fairly technical questions here - which I do appreciate! - but I feel a little weird giving them too much credit for because: 1) it's the right thing to do if you care about your customers at all, 2) it's a technical product released with minimal docs, and 3) there's always a bunch of semi-fantastical happy talk generated by the marketing department and paid reviewers / performers which IMO requires some level of push back just to keep things in perspective, to ground people's expectations and keep any hopes realistic.

I imagine "traditional" mode will be very much like an E-Pro, though many of the pitch based features like field "curves" and quantization aren't available in that mode.  And I guess we'll see how well pitch tracking works in "modern" mode, but that doesn't fill me with enthusiasm because it's generally a bit of a kluge, and maybe shouldn't be at the heart of a high end product if that can be avoided (and perhaps in this rather strange hybrid instrument it can't be easily avoided).

It may be heresy, but I'm not a fan of many features of the E-Pro.  IMO it has a bland tone.  And it's quite attractive and all, but IMO the front panel ergonomics are poor.  So I think it's rather unfortunate that it's perceived by many (including the Moog Inc. designers) as some kind of gold standard (antenna spacing, oscillator topology, waveshaping, etc.) when really it's just the last Theremin that Bob had a hand in creating, and they may be keeping too much of the bathwater along with that baby.

But my opinions on this are rightfully suspect, so I feel rather uncomfortable expressing them.  I look forward to any technical measurements performed on this instrument, but mostly just out of curiosity.

Posted: 11/19/2020 7:54:36 PM
gingercat

From: Whanganui, New Zealand

Joined: 11/4/2020

I think the Claravox innards will be quite similar to the Theremini, probably with some added retrospection of analog circuitry of the EW-Pro. It is likely, that the possible external designers, assigned by Moog to develop the Theremini, have been given another chance. I’m curious what will be inside the housing of the Claravox – possibly ‘aussen hui, innen pfui’ (‘nice outside, but ugly inside’) as a German adage says.

I had a Theremini and looking at the block diagrams in the other discussion it looks to me like the Digital side of the Claravos is completely different to the Theremini - It has 2 oscillators and a noise generator to start with. The theremini only had the one oscillator as part of its internal animoog synth.

Posted: 11/23/2020 12:48:03 AM
DiggyDog

From: Jax, FL

Joined: 2/14/2005

...I am amazed at all the shit talking I see, especially on Fbook. Also, having seen the interior build of recent Moog products (the subharmonicon and the DFAM) I'm inclined to believe exactly the opposite of innen pfui. We shall see in a just a few months.

Shit talking seems to be a way of life on Facebook.

Just look at the lineup announcement for literally any music festival and watch everyone whine about this band or that band and how much they suck etc.

I am a Moog fanboy but I don't buy everything they put out.

Nothing against the E-Pro.  I wanted to get one when they came out but this instrument may become the axe of choice for serious theremin players.

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